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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another article that shows Worlwide men commit heinous acts against children and women mostly out of spite against the mother.
This happened in Brazil on Monday.
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Brazil - Stepfather &#039;tried to kill&#039; needle boy
Monday, 21 December 2009

The Brazilian man who pushed dozens of sewing needles into his two-year-old stepson says he wanted to kill him to spite his wife, say media reports. 

Roberto Carlos Magalhaes, 30, made his confession in a telephone interview from jail with Globo Television. 

The boy is recovering after surgery to remove the needles, which came perilously close to his heart. 

Mr Magalhaes said he got the boy drunk on wine before inserting the needles, up to three times in a month. 

&quot;It was a crazy idea. I mixed wine with water and had him drink it. He drank it and passed out, then I inserted the needles,&quot; he told Globo&#039;s Fantastico programme. 

&quot;It was to get back at the boy&#039;s mother. I thought the needles would work their way through his body and kill the boy. It was a way to kill without anyone discovering.&quot; 

&#039;Ritual killing&#039;
X-rays revealed some 30 needles lodged throughout the child&#039;s body.
Four needles were removed by surgery on Friday, and doctors are planning more operations to extract needles from the boy&#039;s abdomen, intestines and bladder. 

Brazilian police said last week the stepfather had confessed to sticking the needles into the toddler with the help of another man and a woman. 
Police said Mr Magalhaes, a bricklayer, told them his mistress had urged him to ritually kill the child to take revenge on his wife. 

The boy&#039;s mother had taken him to hospital in the north-eastern state of Bahia, suffering from stomach pains and vomiting. 

She suspected the child had been the victim of a black magic ritual after she found suspicious objects in the home she shared with Mr Magalhaes - her husband of six months - and her six children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another article that shows Worlwide men commit heinous acts against children and women mostly out of spite against the mother.<br />
This happened in Brazil on Monday.<br />
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Brazil &#8211; Stepfather &#8216;tried to kill&#8217; needle boy<br />
Monday, 21 December 2009</p>
<p>The Brazilian man who pushed dozens of sewing needles into his two-year-old stepson says he wanted to kill him to spite his wife, say media reports. </p>
<p>Roberto Carlos Magalhaes, 30, made his confession in a telephone interview from jail with Globo Television. </p>
<p>The boy is recovering after surgery to remove the needles, which came perilously close to his heart. </p>
<p>Mr Magalhaes said he got the boy drunk on wine before inserting the needles, up to three times in a month. </p>
<p>&#8220;It was a crazy idea. I mixed wine with water and had him drink it. He drank it and passed out, then I inserted the needles,&#8221; he told Globo&#8217;s Fantastico programme. </p>
<p>&#8220;It was to get back at the boy&#8217;s mother. I thought the needles would work their way through his body and kill the boy. It was a way to kill without anyone discovering.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8216;Ritual killing&#8217;<br />
X-rays revealed some 30 needles lodged throughout the child&#8217;s body.<br />
Four needles were removed by surgery on Friday, and doctors are planning more operations to extract needles from the boy&#8217;s abdomen, intestines and bladder. </p>
<p>Brazilian police said last week the stepfather had confessed to sticking the needles into the toddler with the help of another man and a woman.<br />
Police said Mr Magalhaes, a bricklayer, told them his mistress had urged him to ritually kill the child to take revenge on his wife. </p>
<p>The boy&#8217;s mother had taken him to hospital in the north-eastern state of Bahia, suffering from stomach pains and vomiting. </p>
<p>She suspected the child had been the victim of a black magic ritual after she found suspicious objects in the home she shared with Mr Magalhaes &#8211; her husband of six months &#8211; and her six children.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborrah</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the poster that wanted acknowledgement that women kill children, no one ever said they didn&#039;t. Where did you ever get that idea from? 

All we are saying is that the vast and overwhelming majority of child molestation, rapes and murders are committed by MEN. Either the father, step-father or some other person the child is acquainted with and trusts.  Here are just a few of the thousands of recent cases where some unbalanced man with no patience, or who failed to control his lust did things to a child and the child&#039;s mother that he should not have done:

Father Murders Daughter Pregnant With His Child
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/10/13/Father_murders_daughter_pregnant_with_his_child/

Father of Dead Woman&#039;s Child Charged With Murder
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/father-of-dead-woman-s-child-charged-with-murder-1.1644843

Father Murders Former Lover and Child Then Commits Suicide
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-437242/Father-murders-lover-child-flat-commits-suicide.html

Five Children Slaughtered by Father Before Suicide
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19096866/detail.html

Severely Beaten Infant Dies - Father Charged With Murder
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=8778300&amp;nid=148

Fathers Who Kill Their Children
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/05/ukcrime.lornamartin

Oklahoma Father Murders 9 Year Old Son
http://justice4mothers.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/oklahoma-father-murders-9-year-old-son-mother-injured-trying-to-protect-him/

Family Annilhilators - How Could a Father Murder His Child?
http://womensgrid.freecharity.org.uk/?p=153

Step-Father Charged With Murder of Infant
http://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news/story/44260/raleigh-man-charged-with-murder-of-infant/

Father of Hypothermia Victim, 11, Charged With Murder
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473785,00.html

8 Year Old Arizona Boy Kills Father and Dad&#039;s Friend - Abuse Reported as Motive
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/08/national/main4586103.shtml

Murder Added To Father&#039;s Charges After Child Dies From Apparent Abuse
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/108949/

Father Who Strangled Child&#039;s Mother Then Abandoned 3 Year Old Daughter in Train Station Arrested for Murder
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/father-who-abandoned-child-on-trial-for-murder-1694729.html

Jury selection today for father charged with child abuse, murder
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/photos.aspx?id=383825

Father&#039;s Murder of 5 Children Makes No Sense
http://www.examiner.com/x-257-Seattle-Crime-Examiner~y2009m4d5-Fathers-murder-of-children-makes-no-sense

Child Dead - Father Charged With Murder
http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/child_dead_father_charged_in_shooting_incident/18691/

Father, 3 Children Die in Apparent Murder-Suicide
http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/father-3-children-die-in-apparent-murder-suicide-in-hiroshima

Father Murders Baby Boy to Avoid Child Support
http://www.uslaw.com/library/Family_Law/Father_Allegedly_Murders_Baby_Boy_Intending_Avoid_Child_Support_Arrear.php?item=351499

Molested by Father
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Molestation-1453/Molested-father.htm

Father Murdered Daughter Over X-Box Game
http://www.destructoid.com/father-who-murdered-his-child-over-xbox-360-on-trial-the-media-are-all-bloodthirsty-jackals-28627.phtml

Convicted child killer Couey dies in prison, Florida officials say
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/30/florida.couey.dead/

Convicted Child Murder&#039;s Wife Wants a Divorce
http://www.divorcesaloon.com/south-africa-convicted-child-murder-van-der-westhuizens-wife-wants-a-divorce

Three Year Old Girl Sexually Molested by Father
http://www.theattorneysforum.com/alimony-child-support/781-3-year-old-daughter-sexually-molested-father.html

My Own Father Molested Me
http://www.secrettalk.com/secrets/my-own-father-molested-me/14315405/

Saudis Behead, Crucify Convicted Child Molester, Murderer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523364,00.html?test=latestnews

Convicted Child Rapist, Murderer Denied Clemency
http://www2.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/convicted_child_rapist_murderer_asks_2_courts_for_stay/23110/

Convicted Child Murderer
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9d_1219326296

Man Convicted of Child Murder
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9406E5D91F30E533A25751C1A9679D94679FD7CF

http://crime.about.com/od/history/tp/Child-Killers.htm

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-140246299.html

http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2009/11/12/r_9oupwprjts6fiv6oj4lkqa/index.xml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the poster that wanted acknowledgement that women kill children, no one ever said they didn&#8217;t. Where did you ever get that idea from? </p>
<p>All we are saying is that the vast and overwhelming majority of child molestation, rapes and murders are committed by MEN. Either the father, step-father or some other person the child is acquainted with and trusts.  Here are just a few of the thousands of recent cases where some unbalanced man with no patience, or who failed to control his lust did things to a child and the child&#8217;s mother that he should not have done:</p>
<p>Father Murders Daughter Pregnant With His Child<br />
<a href="http://article.wn.com/view/2009/10/13/Father_murders_daughter_pregnant_with_his_child/" rel="nofollow">http://article.wn.com/view/2009/10/13/Father_murders_daughter_pregnant_with_his_child/</a></p>
<p>Father of Dead Woman&#8217;s Child Charged With Murder<br />
<a href="http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/father-of-dead-woman-s-child-charged-with-murder-1.1644843" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/father-of-dead-woman-s-child-charged-with-murder-1.1644843</a></p>
<p>Father Murders Former Lover and Child Then Commits Suicide<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-437242/Father-murders-lover-child-flat-commits-suicide.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-437242/Father-murders-lover-child-flat-commits-suicide.html</a></p>
<p>Five Children Slaughtered by Father Before Suicide<br />
<a href="http://www.kirotv.com/news/19096866/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kirotv.com/news/19096866/detail.html</a></p>
<p>Severely Beaten Infant Dies &#8211; Father Charged With Murder<br />
<a href="http://www.ksl.com/?sid=8778300&#038;nid=148" rel="nofollow">http://www.ksl.com/?sid=8778300&#038;nid=148</a></p>
<p>Fathers Who Kill Their Children<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/05/ukcrime.lornamartin" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/05/ukcrime.lornamartin</a></p>
<p>Oklahoma Father Murders 9 Year Old Son<br />
<a href="http://justice4mothers.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/oklahoma-father-murders-9-year-old-son-mother-injured-trying-to-protect-him/" rel="nofollow">http://justice4mothers.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/oklahoma-father-murders-9-year-old-son-mother-injured-trying-to-protect-him/</a></p>
<p>Family Annilhilators &#8211; How Could a Father Murder His Child?<br />
<a href="http://womensgrid.freecharity.org.uk/?p=153" rel="nofollow">http://womensgrid.freecharity.org.uk/?p=153</a></p>
<p>Step-Father Charged With Murder of Infant<br />
<a href="http://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news/story/44260/raleigh-man-charged-with-murder-of-infant/" rel="nofollow">http://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news/story/44260/raleigh-man-charged-with-murder-of-infant/</a></p>
<p>Father of Hypothermia Victim, 11, Charged With Murder<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473785,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473785,00.html</a></p>
<p>8 Year Old Arizona Boy Kills Father and Dad&#8217;s Friend &#8211; Abuse Reported as Motive<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/08/national/main4586103.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/08/national/main4586103.shtml</a></p>
<p>Murder Added To Father&#8217;s Charges After Child Dies From Apparent Abuse<br />
<a href="http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/108949/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/108949/</a></p>
<p>Father Who Strangled Child&#8217;s Mother Then Abandoned 3 Year Old Daughter in Train Station Arrested for Murder<br />
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/father-who-abandoned-child-on-trial-for-murder-1694729.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/father-who-abandoned-child-on-trial-for-murder-1694729.html</a></p>
<p>Jury selection today for father charged with child abuse, murder<br />
<a href="http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/photos.aspx?id=383825" rel="nofollow">http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/photos.aspx?id=383825</a></p>
<p>Father&#8217;s Murder of 5 Children Makes No Sense<br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-257-Seattle-Crime-Examiner~y2009m4d5-Fathers-murder-of-children-makes-no-sense" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-257-Seattle-Crime-Examiner~y2009m4d5-Fathers-murder-of-children-makes-no-sense</a></p>
<p>Child Dead &#8211; Father Charged With Murder<br />
<a href="http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/child_dead_father_charged_in_shooting_incident/18691/" rel="nofollow">http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/child_dead_father_charged_in_shooting_incident/18691/</a></p>
<p>Father, 3 Children Die in Apparent Murder-Suicide<br />
<a href="http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/father-3-children-die-in-apparent-murder-suicide-in-hiroshima" rel="nofollow">http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/father-3-children-die-in-apparent-murder-suicide-in-hiroshima</a></p>
<p>Father Murders Baby Boy to Avoid Child Support<br />
<a href="http://www.uslaw.com/library/Family_Law/Father_Allegedly_Murders_Baby_Boy_Intending_Avoid_Child_Support_Arrear.php?item=351499" rel="nofollow">http://www.uslaw.com/library/Family_Law/Father_Allegedly_Murders_Baby_Boy_Intending_Avoid_Child_Support_Arrear.php?item=351499</a></p>
<p>Molested by Father<br />
<a href="http://en.allexperts.com/q/Molestation-1453/Molested-father.htm" rel="nofollow">http://en.allexperts.com/q/Molestation-1453/Molested-father.htm</a></p>
<p>Father Murdered Daughter Over X-Box Game<br />
<a href="http://www.destructoid.com/father-who-murdered-his-child-over-xbox-360-on-trial-the-media-are-all-bloodthirsty-jackals-28627.phtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.destructoid.com/father-who-murdered-his-child-over-xbox-360-on-trial-the-media-are-all-bloodthirsty-jackals-28627.phtml</a></p>
<p>Convicted child killer Couey dies in prison, Florida officials say<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/30/florida.couey.dead/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/30/florida.couey.dead/</a></p>
<p>Convicted Child Murder&#8217;s Wife Wants a Divorce<br />
<a href="http://www.divorcesaloon.com/south-africa-convicted-child-murder-van-der-westhuizens-wife-wants-a-divorce" rel="nofollow">http://www.divorcesaloon.com/south-africa-convicted-child-murder-van-der-westhuizens-wife-wants-a-divorce</a></p>
<p>Three Year Old Girl Sexually Molested by Father<br />
<a href="http://www.theattorneysforum.com/alimony-child-support/781-3-year-old-daughter-sexually-molested-father.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theattorneysforum.com/alimony-child-support/781-3-year-old-daughter-sexually-molested-father.html</a></p>
<p>My Own Father Molested Me<br />
<a href="http://www.secrettalk.com/secrets/my-own-father-molested-me/14315405/" rel="nofollow">http://www.secrettalk.com/secrets/my-own-father-molested-me/14315405/</a></p>
<p>Saudis Behead, Crucify Convicted Child Molester, Murderer<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523364,00.html?test=latestnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523364,00.html?test=latestnews</a></p>
<p>Convicted Child Rapist, Murderer Denied Clemency<br />
<a href="http://www2.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/convicted_child_rapist_murderer_asks_2_courts_for_stay/23110/" rel="nofollow">http://www2.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/convicted_child_rapist_murderer_asks_2_courts_for_stay/23110/</a></p>
<p>Convicted Child Murderer<br />
<a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9d_1219326296" rel="nofollow">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9d_1219326296</a></p>
<p>Man Convicted of Child Murder<br />
<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9406E5D91F30E533A25751C1A9679D94679FD7CF" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9406E5D91F30E533A25751C1A9679D94679FD7CF</a></p>
<p><a href="http://crime.about.com/od/history/tp/Child-Killers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://crime.about.com/od/history/tp/Child-Killers.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-140246299.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-140246299.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2009/11/12/r_9oupwprjts6fiv6oj4lkqa/index.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2009/11/12/r_9oupwprjts6fiv6oj4lkqa/index.xml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave
Let&#039;s agree to disagree on this article and leave it at that.  You can interpret it the way you want and I&#039;ll read what I see. We don&#039;t HAVE to see things the way you want us to Dave just because you want us to see it.
You wrote:
&quot;I hope that you are intelligent enough to see this and honest enough to admit it.&quot;

Don&#039;t worry about my intellect, worry about your own.  I can read and decifer this article for myself.  You do realize that 10 people can read the same article and each interpret it based on their own frame of reference which is what you&#039;re doing.  You can&#039;t impose where you&#039;re coming from when you read this article on where I&#039;m coming from when I read it.  

Get what you want to get out of reading it and leave it at that.  NOTHING you&#039;ve written will change what I view when I read this article.  So you can stop trying to beat me over the head with YOUR truth and what YOU want me to get out of this article ok?  Just be content with what you see and let others read and get out of it what they see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave<br />
Let&#8217;s agree to disagree on this article and leave it at that.  You can interpret it the way you want and I&#8217;ll read what I see. We don&#8217;t HAVE to see things the way you want us to Dave just because you want us to see it.<br />
You wrote:<br />
&#8220;I hope that you are intelligent enough to see this and honest enough to admit it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about my intellect, worry about your own.  I can read and decifer this article for myself.  You do realize that 10 people can read the same article and each interpret it based on their own frame of reference which is what you&#8217;re doing.  You can&#8217;t impose where you&#8217;re coming from when you read this article on where I&#8217;m coming from when I read it.  </p>
<p>Get what you want to get out of reading it and leave it at that.  NOTHING you&#8217;ve written will change what I view when I read this article.  So you can stop trying to beat me over the head with YOUR truth and what YOU want me to get out of this article ok?  Just be content with what you see and let others read and get out of it what they see.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raz says: 
&quot;You continue to say that this article is biased towards ALL FATHERS and I continue to say that it isn’t.&quot;  

Nope.   This article clearly focuses on the fathers’ rights movement, period.  Once again: &quot;The fathers’ rights movement focuses on trying to re-establish fathers’ authority and control over their children’s and ex-partners’ lives.&quot;  The author clearly categorizes all fathers&#039; rights groups as the enemy of womankind who are intent on getting control of their women and &quot;gaining an equality concerned with fathers’ ‘rights’ and status rather than the actual care of children, and on winding back legal and cultural changes which have lessened gender inequalities.&quot;  Those are the author&#039;s own words.  Are you not able to see this?  

This guy is clearly trying to portray all of those involved in the fathers&#039; rights group as the enemy to women.  What a joke!  I can post a whole laundry list of fathers&#039; rights groups that were either founded by women or have women who hold prominent positions in their organization.  I am proud to say that I have worked with a couple of these groups to bring about some much needed reform in my home state.  

&quot;People use legitimate platforms with well meaning intentions all the time to push their own agenda and this brings about a bad reputation for the organization as a whole.&quot;  

Absolutely!  But that is not what this article says.  I would have no beef with it if it were worded in that manner, but it isn&#039;t.  There are also women who use domestic violence programs and child abuse programs to push their own personal agenda.  I hope that you are intelligent enough to see this and honest enough to admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raz says:<br />
&#8220;You continue to say that this article is biased towards ALL FATHERS and I continue to say that it isn’t.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Nope.   This article clearly focuses on the fathers’ rights movement, period.  Once again: &#8220;The fathers’ rights movement focuses on trying to re-establish fathers’ authority and control over their children’s and ex-partners’ lives.&#8221;  The author clearly categorizes all fathers&#8217; rights groups as the enemy of womankind who are intent on getting control of their women and &#8220;gaining an equality concerned with fathers’ ‘rights’ and status rather than the actual care of children, and on winding back legal and cultural changes which have lessened gender inequalities.&#8221;  Those are the author&#8217;s own words.  Are you not able to see this?  </p>
<p>This guy is clearly trying to portray all of those involved in the fathers&#8217; rights group as the enemy to women.  What a joke!  I can post a whole laundry list of fathers&#8217; rights groups that were either founded by women or have women who hold prominent positions in their organization.  I am proud to say that I have worked with a couple of these groups to bring about some much needed reform in my home state.  </p>
<p>&#8220;People use legitimate platforms with well meaning intentions all the time to push their own agenda and this brings about a bad reputation for the organization as a whole.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Absolutely!  But that is not what this article says.  I would have no beef with it if it were worded in that manner, but it isn&#8217;t.  There are also women who use domestic violence programs and child abuse programs to push their own personal agenda.  I hope that you are intelligent enough to see this and honest enough to admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr_Book
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&quot;Hey Raz, explain to me how a male is responsible for this:&quot;

Why don&#039;t you answer your own question.  I don&#039;t answer rhetorical questions. Besides don&#039;t even try it.  Don&#039;t go there pulling up articles depicting what women do vs men.  For every 1 article you find, I could locate 5 depicting men committing violent acts against women and children worlwide!  The fact remains whether you and Dave and other men wish to accept it or not is that WORLD WIDE, men commit violent acts against women and children in far greater numbers EVERYDAY!!

@Dave
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&quot; Absolutely! All people, men and women, who do this should be addressed.  But let&#039;s do this by focusing on the people who are committing the abuse, not by trying to generate mass hysteria by making false, unsubstantiated claims on a whole group of people based upon nothing more than gender.&#039;

Dave
You&#039;re the one who needs some perspective. You&#039;re the one who is so defensive against any critique against men that you see only what you want to see in this article. You&#039;re too busy being defensive to get past that barrier to see what the article is actually addressing.  Your defensiveness acts as a deflection and keeps you from looking at all sides of the issue.

I see an article addressing the negative impact of the &#039;Father&#039;s Right&#039;s movement and the effect it is  having on women and children of divorce.  You see an article that is simply bashing all males because of their gender.  

Read your own last paragraph and see how you took this entire article. It&#039;s written there in your last summation paragraph.  You&#039;re the one who can&#039;t separate gender from what this article is really discussing.  You&#039;re the one who thinks that any critique of men is male bashing and ALL men are being bashed. 

You only want people to focus on the good the Father&#039;s Right movement supposedly does while ignoring the negative fall out of this same group.

You and I must be reading 2 different articles because we are getting two different interpretations from it.  You are viewing it through &#039;your eyes&#039; and I am viewing it through mine.  You continue to say that this article is biased towards ALL FATHERS and I continue to say that it isn&#039;t.  You think that people lack the sense to know the difference.  Those to whom this article doesn&#039;t apply then pass it on by.  But there are men within the Father&#039;s Rights movement who do use this as a  platform to commit revengeful hateful violence against their ex spouses and children and cases have been documented by social workers, courts etc.. where kids have been abused by angry vengeful fathers who use the Father&#039;s Right movement to exact personal revenge against their ex SO out of spite.  Again not ALL, (get that through your skull OK?)  But a significant number of cases have been documented enough that is is noticable and hence the criticism of what is happening as a result of the Father&#039;s Rights movement and its impact on women and children of divorce.

You may not want to accept this but it is true.  People use legitimate platforms with well meaning intentions all the time to push their own agenda and this brings about a bad reputation for the organization as a whole.  Accept that this is going on within the Father&#039;s movement.  Not every father within that movement is operating from a &#039;good place.  Some are, but not all.  But just because some are, doesn&#039;t mean the ones who aren&#039;t should be ignored or the issue of the negative impact of the Father&#039;s movement caused by those father&#039;s who aren&#039;t operating from a &#039;good place&#039; should go ignored.

There is truth behind what the author has written.  You don&#039;t have to like it but it is there.  Also accept that people have sense enough to know that this doesn&#039;t apply to ALL fathers within the father&#039;s right movement, but for the percentage that it does apply, it is noticed, and people are going to call them on that shyt.  Simple as that.
You just don&#039;t want this group criticized period and you are outraged that people are daring to speak out against the negative flak that is the fall out behind this Father&#039;s right movement.  Well too bad. 
This group isn&#039;t beyond reproach and people have a right to come on this blog speak out against the negative outcomes that this Father&#039;s right group is generating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr_Book<br />
wrote<br />
&#8220;Hey Raz, explain to me how a male is responsible for this:&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you answer your own question.  I don&#8217;t answer rhetorical questions. Besides don&#8217;t even try it.  Don&#8217;t go there pulling up articles depicting what women do vs men.  For every 1 article you find, I could locate 5 depicting men committing violent acts against women and children worlwide!  The fact remains whether you and Dave and other men wish to accept it or not is that WORLD WIDE, men commit violent acts against women and children in far greater numbers EVERYDAY!!</p>
<p>@Dave<br />
wrote:<br />
&#8221; Absolutely! All people, men and women, who do this should be addressed.  But let&#8217;s do this by focusing on the people who are committing the abuse, not by trying to generate mass hysteria by making false, unsubstantiated claims on a whole group of people based upon nothing more than gender.&#8217;</p>
<p>Dave<br />
You&#8217;re the one who needs some perspective. You&#8217;re the one who is so defensive against any critique against men that you see only what you want to see in this article. You&#8217;re too busy being defensive to get past that barrier to see what the article is actually addressing.  Your defensiveness acts as a deflection and keeps you from looking at all sides of the issue.</p>
<p>I see an article addressing the negative impact of the &#8216;Father&#8217;s Right&#8217;s movement and the effect it is  having on women and children of divorce.  You see an article that is simply bashing all males because of their gender.  </p>
<p>Read your own last paragraph and see how you took this entire article. It&#8217;s written there in your last summation paragraph.  You&#8217;re the one who can&#8217;t separate gender from what this article is really discussing.  You&#8217;re the one who thinks that any critique of men is male bashing and ALL men are being bashed. </p>
<p>You only want people to focus on the good the Father&#8217;s Right movement supposedly does while ignoring the negative fall out of this same group.</p>
<p>You and I must be reading 2 different articles because we are getting two different interpretations from it.  You are viewing it through &#8216;your eyes&#8217; and I am viewing it through mine.  You continue to say that this article is biased towards ALL FATHERS and I continue to say that it isn&#8217;t.  You think that people lack the sense to know the difference.  Those to whom this article doesn&#8217;t apply then pass it on by.  But there are men within the Father&#8217;s Rights movement who do use this as a  platform to commit revengeful hateful violence against their ex spouses and children and cases have been documented by social workers, courts etc.. where kids have been abused by angry vengeful fathers who use the Father&#8217;s Right movement to exact personal revenge against their ex SO out of spite.  Again not ALL, (get that through your skull OK?)  But a significant number of cases have been documented enough that is is noticable and hence the criticism of what is happening as a result of the Father&#8217;s Rights movement and its impact on women and children of divorce.</p>
<p>You may not want to accept this but it is true.  People use legitimate platforms with well meaning intentions all the time to push their own agenda and this brings about a bad reputation for the organization as a whole.  Accept that this is going on within the Father&#8217;s movement.  Not every father within that movement is operating from a &#8216;good place.  Some are, but not all.  But just because some are, doesn&#8217;t mean the ones who aren&#8217;t should be ignored or the issue of the negative impact of the Father&#8217;s movement caused by those father&#8217;s who aren&#8217;t operating from a &#8216;good place&#8217; should go ignored.</p>
<p>There is truth behind what the author has written.  You don&#8217;t have to like it but it is there.  Also accept that people have sense enough to know that this doesn&#8217;t apply to ALL fathers within the father&#8217;s right movement, but for the percentage that it does apply, it is noticed, and people are going to call them on that shyt.  Simple as that.<br />
You just don&#8217;t want this group criticized period and you are outraged that people are daring to speak out against the negative flak that is the fall out behind this Father&#8217;s right movement.  Well too bad.<br />
This group isn&#8217;t beyond reproach and people have a right to come on this blog speak out against the negative outcomes that this Father&#8217;s right group is generating.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raz says: 
&quot;When I read this article I automatically realize that this article is not talking about ALL Men so no need to bring out the &#039;ALL&#039; police. I know this, but for those men who this applies to then this article is on point.&quot;   

I&#039;m glad that you believe this, unfortunately that is not what this article portrays.  In the very opening of the article the author sets the tone with the completely false statement: &quot;The fathers’ rights movement focuses on trying to re-establish fathers’ authority and control over their children’s and ex-partners’ lives.&quot;  It only goes down hill from there.  The author clearly attempts to paint the fathers&#039; right movement as collection of people intent on helping abusive men.  The author is either ignorant of what the fathers&#039; rights movement is about or he is deliberately attempting to mislead people about it for his own purposes.   


Raz says: 
&quot;Men violently retaliating against ex spouses SHOULD be addressed.&quot;  

Absolutely!  All people, men and women, who do this should be addressed.  But let&#039;s do this by focusing on the people who are committing the abuse, not by trying to generate mass hysteria by making false, unsubstantiated claims on a whole group of people based upon nothing more than gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raz says:<br />
&#8220;When I read this article I automatically realize that this article is not talking about ALL Men so no need to bring out the &#8216;ALL&#8217; police. I know this, but for those men who this applies to then this article is on point.&#8221;   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you believe this, unfortunately that is not what this article portrays.  In the very opening of the article the author sets the tone with the completely false statement: &#8220;The fathers’ rights movement focuses on trying to re-establish fathers’ authority and control over their children’s and ex-partners’ lives.&#8221;  It only goes down hill from there.  The author clearly attempts to paint the fathers&#8217; right movement as collection of people intent on helping abusive men.  The author is either ignorant of what the fathers&#8217; rights movement is about or he is deliberately attempting to mislead people about it for his own purposes.   </p>
<p>Raz says:<br />
&#8220;Men violently retaliating against ex spouses SHOULD be addressed.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Absolutely!  All people, men and women, who do this should be addressed.  But let&#8217;s do this by focusing on the people who are committing the abuse, not by trying to generate mass hysteria by making false, unsubstantiated claims on a whole group of people based upon nothing more than gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr_Book</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr_Book</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Raz, explain to me how a male is responsible for this:
http://www.news.com.au/national/rachel-pfitzner-who-dumped-sons-body-in-pond-jailed-for-19-years/story-e6frfkwi-1225808694633

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Raz, explain to me how a male is responsible for this:<br />
<a href="http://www.news.com.au/national/rachel-pfitzner-who-dumped-sons-body-in-pond-jailed-for-19-years/story-e6frfkwi-1225808694633" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/national/rachel-pfitzner-who-dumped-sons-body-in-pond-jailed-for-19-years/story-e6frfkwi-1225808694633</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://survivingdating.com/fathers-rights-violence-against-women/comment-page-5#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave 
you wrote
&quot;The fact is, the overwhelming number of parents, male and female, love their children and only want the best for them.&quot;

When I read this article I automatically realize that this article is not talking about ALL Men so no need to bring out the &quot;ALL&quot; police.  I know this, but for those men who this applies to then this article is on point.  

I know that there are men out there who don&#039;t abuse their kids and are good fathers and even after a divorce they continue to play an active role in their kids life. I personally know men like this, however that said, this doesn&#039;t mean that one should ignore that there is a growing concern for the men who are violent and use the Father&#039;s Right movement as a platform to commit violence against the spouses who rejected them and the children who get caught in the middle.  Men violently retaliating against ex spouses SHOULD be addressed. 

Your attempt to come on this board and deflect by using the worn out reasoning of &#039;So women do it too&#039; doesn&#039;t change the fact that world wide men commit violent acts against women and children everyday and that crimes against women by their SO is on the rise!

Just because ALL men don&#039;t do it doesn&#039;t mean people who realize that there are atrocities that are committed against women by men under the guise of these Father Rights movement should not be addressed.
You seem to want people to not have a voice or say anything at all.  You have this &#039;all or nothing attitude as though the author of the article and the owner of this blog have no right to say anything against the Father&#039;s right movement unless the criteria is met and that is &#039;ALL Fathers are committing crimes against women and they are child abusers.  That seems to be your threshold.

If there are 10 men in a contentious situation involving women and children and 4 of those men committed a violent act against the woman and child but the other 6 did not, you seem to think that&#039;s ok.  Well since the majority of men don&#039;t do these dastardly deeds no need to sound the alarm.  What kind of logical thinking is that?  It isn&#039;t logical.  Violence has a cumulative effect.  It is not in isolation. 4 this year out of 10, next year 3 out of 9, the crime is still happening, Are people not supposed to notice? Are people not supposed to observe the cause and effect the negative outcomes occuring under these so called Father&#039;s right?  

Is the supposed &#039;good&#039; that this Father&#039;s Right movement outweighs the fallout that is being observed not just by the author of this article but by other people who personally experience what is is like when kids go back home to be with a violent angry bitter father.
Try telling that to child welfare agents, social workers, teachers etc.. people who personally witness men who abuse their spouses and their children.

So we are going to speak out about it the cons of the Father&#039;s right movement and violence against women because that is what is being seen.  You only want to see one side. All sides of the Father&#039;s movement is not positive nor is it beneficial for the child.  You may not like that but that is just the way it is and posting unending statistics doesn&#039;t change a thing nor does it matter when a child or a woman is hurt at the hands of an angry father in the name of the Father&#039;s right movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave<br />
you wrote<br />
&#8220;The fact is, the overwhelming number of parents, male and female, love their children and only want the best for them.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I read this article I automatically realize that this article is not talking about ALL Men so no need to bring out the &#8220;ALL&#8221; police.  I know this, but for those men who this applies to then this article is on point.  </p>
<p>I know that there are men out there who don&#8217;t abuse their kids and are good fathers and even after a divorce they continue to play an active role in their kids life. I personally know men like this, however that said, this doesn&#8217;t mean that one should ignore that there is a growing concern for the men who are violent and use the Father&#8217;s Right movement as a platform to commit violence against the spouses who rejected them and the children who get caught in the middle.  Men violently retaliating against ex spouses SHOULD be addressed. </p>
<p>Your attempt to come on this board and deflect by using the worn out reasoning of &#8216;So women do it too&#8217; doesn&#8217;t change the fact that world wide men commit violent acts against women and children everyday and that crimes against women by their SO is on the rise!</p>
<p>Just because ALL men don&#8217;t do it doesn&#8217;t mean people who realize that there are atrocities that are committed against women by men under the guise of these Father Rights movement should not be addressed.<br />
You seem to want people to not have a voice or say anything at all.  You have this &#8216;all or nothing attitude as though the author of the article and the owner of this blog have no right to say anything against the Father&#8217;s right movement unless the criteria is met and that is &#8216;ALL Fathers are committing crimes against women and they are child abusers.  That seems to be your threshold.</p>
<p>If there are 10 men in a contentious situation involving women and children and 4 of those men committed a violent act against the woman and child but the other 6 did not, you seem to think that&#8217;s ok.  Well since the majority of men don&#8217;t do these dastardly deeds no need to sound the alarm.  What kind of logical thinking is that?  It isn&#8217;t logical.  Violence has a cumulative effect.  It is not in isolation. 4 this year out of 10, next year 3 out of 9, the crime is still happening, Are people not supposed to notice? Are people not supposed to observe the cause and effect the negative outcomes occuring under these so called Father&#8217;s right?  </p>
<p>Is the supposed &#8216;good&#8217; that this Father&#8217;s Right movement outweighs the fallout that is being observed not just by the author of this article but by other people who personally experience what is is like when kids go back home to be with a violent angry bitter father.<br />
Try telling that to child welfare agents, social workers, teachers etc.. people who personally witness men who abuse their spouses and their children.</p>
<p>So we are going to speak out about it the cons of the Father&#8217;s right movement and violence against women because that is what is being seen.  You only want to see one side. All sides of the Father&#8217;s movement is not positive nor is it beneficial for the child.  You may not like that but that is just the way it is and posting unending statistics doesn&#8217;t change a thing nor does it matter when a child or a woman is hurt at the hands of an angry father in the name of the Father&#8217;s right movement.</p>
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